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12/17/2008

 

Chennai Vs Bangalore Debate

I wrote this post as a response to SelAm's post. First things first, I am a Chennai boy that lived in Andhra Pradesh for 20 years. I moved back to Chennai in 1993 and quit the city in 2001. I moved to Bangalore about five years back. I have lived in Pune and Indore. When I say lived, I mean lived there for at least six months.

I visited Bangalore first in 1996. I was deputed to Tata Yellow Pages's Bangalore office. I spent a couple of months there. As I was a salesman, I had to go around the city and thus was well acquainted with the city and its culture in a short time.

I don't know if one is predisposed to be biased about his home town, but I thought Chennai was better than Bangalore back then. There was no logic or rationale to that bias but I believed in it, fought for Chennai, and was quite sure I was right. My facts were rock solid: Chennai had better roads, better public transport... you know?

This is exactly where SelAm went wrong. If one were to go by infrastructure, I'd rate Kuwait better than Chennai or Bangalore. But, the question is, would you live in Kuwait? I won't. My liberty is more important than a pothole in the road. A city is not about roads and amenities. It is mostly about people. And culture. Both cities are rich in that regard. You really can't and should not choose between cultures. Each city has its unique personality and it'd be foolish to pose the question 'which has better culture?'

That said, we are left with this really tricky benchmark called 'Cosmopolitan'. Is Chennai more cosmopolitan? I don't think so. Having lived in Bangalore for close to five years, I can vouch for it: Bangalore is more cosmopolitan.

Take for example, food: the sheer number of cuisines Bangalore offers is a small yet significant testimony to that fact. I know people from Chennai will cry foul and throw a list of eateries in and around Chennai. Hang on people. I am talking accessibility and abundance here. Almost every street, lane corner has a food place in Bangalore. I *know* that is not the case in Chennai. Let's not even talk about variety of cuisines. Chennai is far behind Bangalore.

I think Bangaloreans are a liberal lot. This is my personal opinion but I don't think I can say that about Chennai. I thought of a million examples to illustrate my point but I thought better of it. It is *my* opinion! Bangalore's Cinemas show Tamil and Telugu movies. Chennai's don't show Kannada or too many Telugu movies. You tell me who is cosmopolitan.

There was some talk of who speaks better English on SelAm's post (see the comments). I don't understand the relevance of this point. So I choose not to respond to it.

Personally though, Bangalore makes better coffee than Chennai. Surprised? Walk into any of those 'Darshinis' and drink coffee.

Finally, I have to tell you this. Not because it is important but it reflects the hypocrisy of Chennai, the so called conservative 'Tamil' loving city.
Why the fuck do you need to be formally attired to go to a pub? And, these rules are only for us brown skinned bastards. If a white guy walked in clad in his undies, those ugly bouncers will let them in. Don't believe me? Why don't you try it yourself? 1) Residency Towers and 2) 10 Downing Street on North Boag road.

As far as the 'safe' city point, I don't think any of our cities are safe for women. So don't give me that bull on how Chennai is safer. No city is safe for Indian women in their country.

Don't rush to hate a city. You'll never realize how bad your crib is until you get out of it. And see some real cribs. I love Chennai for different reasons and Bangalore for different reasons. Though I was irritated with Indore, I grew to like it later. Or, my hometown bias has waned because I have lived in multiple towns. Whatever. I urge you to get your ass out and travel. Don't throw stones when you live in a... ok, I won't say it.

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24 Comments:

Blogger K.Shyam said...

Macchi;
All said and done, 8 years of Bangalore life always left me with one feeling -- a city that is too hollow and pseudo, save some pockets in Jayanagar and Malleshwaram.

Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:57:00 PM GMT+05:30  
Anonymous Sugumar said...

I live in Bangalore ever since I knew Suman :) that is >5 years. I cant fall for it the way I could fall for Chennai. I lived in Chennai for 4 years. Before that 3 years in Coimbatore. My love for the city was in the same order. Coimbatore was better than Chennai. Chennai was better than Bangalore. Now I am in WA, USA. I prefer Bangalore than WA, USA. So I think it is the closeness to the native hood, Lanugage etc.

My problem is that I dont know Hindi & Kannada. If I learn them well I am pretty sure I will be fine in Bangalore.

When I go shopping, talk to auto drivers, platform shops and son on I always realize Chennai has a better culture. But also I realize that Bangalore people are transparent. They dont pretend to be sweet and nice to customers.

I dont want to judge. I rather prefer to work on skills required to fit in to the relationship with the place :) That is the true secret of any relationship with people or places

Thursday, December 18, 2008 5:14:00 AM GMT+05:30  
Blogger suman kumar said...

@ Shyam: Are you telling me Chennai is not pseudo and hollow? By what logic? It is your hometown and you love it. Leave it at that da.

Also see how the anti-hindi chauvinism is biting our asses now? We owe Karunanidhi one.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:24:00 AM GMT+05:30  
Blogger APAM NAPAT said...

i want to whip ur ass.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:26:00 AM GMT+05:30  
Blogger sansmerci said...

i am down ROFL leavin ur post! living in acity for so many yrs doesnt make u a judge of food or art or cinema or media ....

i am a food critic and i wud say tht the quality of food is anytime 1000000000 milllion times better in chennai than bangalore's shitholes called restaurants.. i have reviewed more than 100 restaurants includin both chennai and bangalore and sorry to say i cudnt bring myself to give even an 'average' to FOOD place in bangalore... leave alone internaitonal cuisines but even for the local cusine am sorry but this place sucks big time... and yea coffee at darshini and sagars is equal to drinkin ur own piss after u drink coffee after HSB once!

and thinkin of cinema houses.. as a media student, i have to say, sorry but if u didnt kno .. kannada doesnt have a film industry of its own to b proud of and tamil is a legend in tht regard and so wherever u go (even the US) u can watch tamil movies cos only that sells!

FYI u can definitely c atleast one telugu movie playin in sathyam cinemas at a point of time and mallu movies are played in niche theatres for people who have a taste for it... and kannada movies cant b played in chennai theatres for reasons tht are more than obvious... i havent heard one kannada song tht is either a remake of hindi or tamil or telugu song by which i can imagine the movie's state too! so there is no use playin the same thing in a threate where the ORIGINALS play!

PS: i am resident of BANGALORE who can speak english hindi tamil and a lil bit of kannada and has tasted and reviewed every possibel cuisine in the world in india and abroad and made movies by myself as a student of media and worked/workin for a media agency too!

Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:57:00 AM GMT+05:30  
Blogger suman kumar said...

@sansmerci: I never said I am a media/cinema/food expert. The rest, well you are entitled to your opinion. Your love for a language/culture should not blind you to or hate others.
You are an expert in cinema too? Wow!

Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:16:00 PM GMT+05:30  
Blogger suman kumar said...

@ Apam Napat: try it kid. Hope you are insured.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:17:00 PM GMT+05:30  
Blogger suman kumar said...

I hereby declare this comments section to be the showcase of language/cultural chauvinism from Chennai. :-D This is fun!

Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:20:00 PM GMT+05:30  
Anonymous Amit M said...

Hahaha, I love this post and love the comments even more! Ultimately, a city that's 'better' is a city that works better for you. That let's you do what you enjoy. It's really that subjective. Never mind if you're a Cordon Bleu type/mass media expert or a blogger who posts and then enjoys tripping on his reader's comments. :)

Friday, December 19, 2008 11:24:00 AM GMT+05:30  
Blogger suman kumar said...

:-)

Friday, December 19, 2008 4:27:00 PM GMT+05:30  
Anonymous Sugumar said...

I dont want hate the place where I make my life. I personally knew people who left bangalore during cauvery related violence. So I never wanted to be anywhere in Karanataka when I was growing up. But I fell in love with a girl who was raised in Bangalore. Ultimately I settled in Bangalore because of a very good job.

Forget about 'opinions' and 'views'. Why is that we dont have a data point, survey results, and statistics based listing for Indian Citiies. It should cover food, art, culture, climate, job oppurtunities, political stability, law and order everything.

This list will put an end to our views and opinions sounding like judgements! This list will also show every city where they stand. In fact if citizens (every professional is a citizen) can work towards taking thier city to the top 10.

Am I talking something impossible in India?

Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:51:00 AM GMT+05:30  
Anonymous sugumar said...

I found this http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1953010,flstry-1.cms

but it was 2006 and is earning, investing and living. What I am talking is a live list that is updated semester after semester and reflects all aspects of a place.

Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:00:00 AM GMT+05:30  
Blogger Shalin said...

I prefer Chennai.

Bangalore was a great city until IT invaded it. It lots it's charm and calmness. Bangalore is currently choked and lacks good public transport system. Sure it has more BMW's than Chennai does. I eat out twice a month - there are sure enough good restaurants that I would like to go to. I can even drive 10 kms in 30 minutes for a lunch - any cuisine.

If the city serves you good authentic food which it is famous for, I think it is good enough. Just like how you don't find many good north indian restaurants in chennai/bangalore - and every small dhaba in Punjab or Rajasthan would serve amazing food for 1/5 of the price.

As per the current parameters if you live in Mumbai, everything is much better. Including safety of Women.

Every City has something great about it. It depends what you experience.

Friday, January 2, 2009 2:50:00 PM GMT+05:30  
Anonymous chitra selvan said...

how could i let this pass without screaming out my opinion!so here goes..
am from bangalore, did schooling and college there, loved every single bit of it.would give anything to go back there. have been in chennai for the last three years. i started with the same' god! i dont believe this place" which almost every bangalorean i know says about chennai.but three years doen the road, the city has grown on me,ya i know i pay more for the beer,lousy music at the bars,loud people everywhere if not rude,nosy too. but i am absolutely enjoying my stay in chennai. i dont know if it is because i have found a few like minded ppl or that i have discovered the places that do it for me, be it food or art. Bangalore habba and vasantha habba put together would face a stiff competition from the dizzyin dance & music fest that happens here every december!and then, i dont even have to worry abtmondane things like how long i would take to get to work, coz i zip zap like i did in blore 10 yrs ago. maybe i have grown out of the pub everyday phase, so i dont need them ! i dont know! like it here, but all said and done, am dyin to go to blore when i finish,coz that's home!

Sunday, January 4, 2009 8:58:00 AM GMT+05:30  
Blogger Nilu said...

I am reminded about some pot and kettle story. Infrastructure and cosmopolitan atmosphere as the differentiation between two third world cities! Madras is great because, as Chitra said of Bangalore, it's home. Bangalore sucks because it's another third world city that's not home. Vice-versa will be true as well.

If cheap beer or screening of obscure movies or cuisine variety is a yardstick for measuring cities, it only speaks poorly of the person doing the measuring. Not the cities. Of course, the weight of History does lend a lot of charm to certain cities. Delhi is one such. And Madras, though nowhere close to Delhi, scores over Bangalore.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 4:17:00 PM GMT+05:30  
Blogger suman kumar said...

Weight of history? How convenient!

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 4:23:00 PM GMT+05:30  
Blogger Nilu said...

Exactly.

Charm is measured with a wooden scale and is convenient by definition.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 5:06:00 PM GMT+05:30  
Blogger Vasu the terrible said...

machi.. the bangalore u see is not the real bangalore. Its the icing da. Get out of brigade road and have some ragi balls :D. Seriously Chennai food scene is not as good as bangalore. Its not about getting something exotic. But then it was always a bad idea to order butter naan or dal tadka in Chennai.

In chennai, if you want to legally go out with your wife for a drink and a nice meal (decently), you have to cough up a lot. a lot more than bangalore cos you can only go to the five stars. Imagine paying 175 for a small old monk and 40 for a thums up. If you want to buy it from a tasmac shop, its humiliating jostling around an iron grill. Reminded me of the days when I used to get ration sugar for mom. The shops dont carry what you want and damm it he doesent even give you a black bag.

My neighbour caught me trying to carry 6 beers in the lift in the open.

But whenever I feel low in chennai, I go to the beach and have a couple of nice fried kalamari, then head out to murugan for some nice hot idlis. I forget everything.

I guess both cities have their own things going on.

vasu

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:26:00 PM GMT+05:30  
Blogger suman kumar said...

Dey otha konnuduven Vasu. Kusu maadhiri pesaadhey. Knowing me, you should know I am not the brigade rd-mg rd types. I visit the country side almost every weekend... for birding.

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 8:37:00 AM GMT+05:30  
Blogger Vasu the terrible said...

:) I guess you still havent recogonised the angst a local kannada guy feels whenever someone calls bangalore cosmopolitan. ITs not a complement anymore.

People want to be rooted. Its only a select few who want a global identity or can travel and talk about it. A global identity is at the end of the day an elitist experience which 99% cant relate to. I think we have gone through this a lot and you know my position. Jai vaataal nagaraj :D. I love to rile you up, dont know why.

What you should note is I agree with you. Have you experienced Ragi mudde and avarekkai saru ? Thats what I want you to be talking about. Not just about the world food. Just try the joint near ananda rao circle (The road going inside right next to TCS. Get in and walk a 100 yards or so.. fantastic ragi mudde). I feel Chennai has become highly commercialised with only a few of the old world touches. Its become a place where idlis are served with plastic gloves. I think bangalore has preserved its unique culture much better and I like it for that.

lets have a drink next time I come around or you come to chennai. Call me if you drop by, I will arrange a special Tasmac exclusive dubakur vodka. I heard its more potent than dabba thanni.

give me a msg or something man. I dont have your nbr man. I know you called, I wasnt in town and my wife dint save the number.

vasu

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:22:00 AM GMT+05:30  
Blogger suman kumar said...

You forget that I am a small town boy. I lived 20 years in a small town.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 5:49:00 PM GMT+05:30  
Blogger Vasu the terrible said...

chill dude.. rest over dubakur vodka.. If I am coming there, I will get it specially for you from chennai :)

vasu

Thursday, January 8, 2009 10:59:00 PM GMT+05:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi suman...i really appreciate ur unbiased comments on this..i lived in chennai for 6-7 months...oh..i hve to mention this..it SUCKKS big time..without knowing tamil u won't survive...and ppl are not open to outsiders at all unlike bangaloreans....AUTORCICKSHAWALAS sucks big time...today nobody willing to go to chennai bcoz it'z hypocrirte ppl..as we kannadigas are more liberal to others they had a gud time here enjoying each bit of it and then finally cribbing..am not talking abt u ...but some cribbers here...these assholes come here and drink our water, then say bangalore sucks...time is not too far when these asshole cribbers will be kicked out off town...bangalore is already flled with shameless KONGAAAS.....cribbers get a life..!!

Monday, January 26, 2009 10:26:00 AM GMT+05:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hereby declare this comments section to be the showcase of language/cultural chauvinism from Chennai. :-D This is fun!
There you go... Now it's also a showcase of chauvinism from Blore.

Even more fun,eh?!?!

Tuesday, February 3, 2009 9:01:00 PM GMT+05:30  

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